Bouzouki and Holy God!

Good evening, my friends!

I’m writing these lines after getting back from work, so that we can exchange views and thoughts on something that’s been on my mind…

I already have a three-course bouzouki and I’m tempted to get a four-course one as well…!

I know, it’s a different philosophy and a different instrument! But I’d really like to get one of those too!

I’ve asked a few luthiers, and they’ve given me some prices and delivery times!

If you’d like, you can tell me your opinion and what you think!

I’d be delighted to have a chat!

Thank you very much

If I understand you correctly, what you’re wondering about is whether it would be the right thing to do to buy a four-course bouzouki when you already have a three-course one.

What is it that tempts you to get a four-course one as well? You’ve been playing the three-course bouzouki for quite a few years, and you enjoy it, right? In other words: deep down, might you really have wanted a four-course bouzouki, but circumstances led you to play a three-course one? If that’s not the case, and you simply like them both, my advice would be this: force yourself to choose: do you prefer the repertoire that suits the three-course bouzouki, or that of the four-course one? Once you’ve made up your mind, either keep the instrument you have or exchange it for a four-course one. By switching from one type of repertoire to the other and back again, you’ll always be left in limbo…

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Good evening, Niko! I genuinely like and am moved by both types of repertoire… both rebetika and the more laïko repertoire… I don’t mean today’s laïko—God knows you can even call it laïko, that is.

Great! So you really should give in to the temptation to get a four-string as well!

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If you have the money to buy it and the time to play both instruments, why not get one? You could start with a cheap student model or even a borrowed four-string instrument, see how interested you are, and then order one from a luthier.

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@ΓιωργοςΦ Your thought is very appealing, and the temptation you’ve fallen into is entirely understandable. In my view, buying a second instrument is not excessive, provided it does not end up as a decorative object on the wall, but remains a living means of expression.

I know quite a few musicians who maintain a collection of instruments, and the reason is not quantity, but the different personality each one offers. In your case, the trichordo and the tetrachordo do not compete with each other; they complement one another.

The trichordo has that authentic, Dorian and dry sound identified with traditional rebetiko. The tetrachordo, on the other hand, offers the harmonic flexibility, speed and rich sound required by post-war and more recent laïko repertoire (from Hiotis and Zabetas through to later laïko ensembles).

Moving from one instrument to the other forces you to think about music differently.
The trichordo’s tuning (D-A-D) favours a modal approach to music (the dromoi) and a drone. Your ear is trained to hear the melodic line in depth: the microtones, the inflections and the ornaments above the fundamental note of D (if we leave aside the douzenia tunings). The tetrachordo (C-F-A-D) introduces a fourth course and, with it, chordal harmony, giving you a much more complete picture. Your ear learns to perceive chord changes, transitions and the rich harmonic sequences of mainly Western music. As a result, you develop a comprehensive ear that can perceive both the melodic Dorian character (with the trichordo) and the harmonic complexity (with the tetrachordo) of a piece. In the left hand, the trichordo, because it has fewer courses, forces you to move “along” the fretboard, developing speed over large position shifts, whereas on the tetrachordo the additional course provides breadth, requiring economy of movement, different finger stretches and the use of closed chord shapes. With the right hand, the trichordo requires a sharp, deep pick attack, with emphasis on rhythm and snap. The tetrachordo calls for lighter, faster picking to serve the quick passages and accompaniments. When you play only one instrument for years, your fingers move mechanically through muscle memory. You play “patterns” your hand has learnt, without necessarily thinking about the notes at that moment. Switching from D-A-D to C-F-A-D takes you off autopilot. When you move from one to the other, the same melodies appear in different places and at different frets. You cannot rely on ready-made “fingerings”. You are forced to think actively about the note and the melody, freeing yourself from technical shortcuts. Essentially, this alternation transforms you from a performer who relies on finger memory into a conscious musician who understands the geometry of the fretboard and the essence of each melody.

If you feel that your creativity is expressed better by playing rebetika on the trichordo and laïko songs on the tetrachordo, then the new instrument will open up paths that the trichordo simply cannot cover.

So, if you have the means and, above all, the desire to devote study time to both, do not hesitate at all. Searching for a luthier and waiting for the instrument to be delivered are, in themselves, part of the magic.

I hope you make the decision happily, and happy picking!

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You’ve said exactly what I would have! I get in touch with and look into tradespeople whenever I can… I’m not forcing the issue! I’ve heard waiting times ranging from two and a half years to four months! If you like, I can name the tradespeople.

With all due respect, why are you thinking of taking up a second instrument now? You still haven’t learned the first one. Unless you’re going to give up the three-string bouzouki and switch to a four-string one while it’s still early, because the three-string one doesn’t meet your needs. In that case, I’d say get a four-string one. Otherwise, I don’t see the point in doing something like that.

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As Lambros put it, and my own opinion

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Giorgi, you have a bouzouki and you’ve been taking lessons for a year to a year and a half. If I remember correctly, you take lessons in Haidari with Noah. Personally, I’m not telling you not to get a four-string bouzouki as well, but in my opinion it would be best to reach a higher level before getting another instrument that uses a different technique. Am I right in assuming that you’ve discussed with Noah the fact that you’d also like a four-string bouzouki? Since you’ve already started down one path, and because I know you don’t have much free time to spare, perhaps it would be better not to complicate things.

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Guys, I understand your objection! Of course I’m not going to abandon the three-course bouzouki… that’s why I’m thinking of placing an order sometime soon and, when it’s finally ready, getting it…! One of the makers in particular has a two-and-a-half-year waiting list…! So I thought I’d work and practise with the three-course bouzouki, with Noe as my teacher, of course… and when the new one is finally ready, I’ll have that one too… my plans go even further… I have nieces and nephews who stare in fascination when I practise… now that they’re growing up, I’d like to help them if they want to take up the bouzouki, by giving them whichever one they want! So don’t beat me up, guys! :grin::grin::grin:

Dear friend Giorgos,
Good evening.

As you say, you’ve been playing the three-string bouzouki for a year and a half now. Have you ever held a four-string bouzouki in your hands? Have you tried playing something and listening to its sound? If so, what did the instrument “tell” you, and how did you feel?

In any case, you should know that moving from the three-string to the four-string, or even alternating between the two, is different: it’s like driving a vehicle with a manual gearbox one time and an automatic the next. @loukasfilm raises a very important point: once you feel comfortable with the three-string, you can, as @nikos_politis also suggests, get even a student model (I have one, though I can’t promise it will have the sound of the one you may eventually get. I bought it in Monastiraki for €200.00, and it has a beautiful, deep and powerful sound—better than that of my “professional” one) and see where it takes you.

However, bear in mind that the repertoire of each instrument is different.

In the end, music is music, so do what your heart tells you, my friend. I started with the ukulele, got a three-string, moved on to the four-string, progressed to the tambouras and ended up returning to my roots by learning the Politiki Lyra.

The seyir of music works in mysterious ways.

Mate, if you practise the three-course properly over the next two years, the four-course will be a mini adventure with plenty of rewards. The 4-course is a lovely instrument. I’m telling you this as a die-hard three-course player, basically.

But why wouldn’t someone get the genuine article, namely a guitar? Is it worse than the four-string bouzouki?

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The guitar has a similar tuning, but because of its body, single strings and so on, it has a different timbre. To each their own.

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I think Mr Nikos simply wanted to express his well-known three-chord worship, which brims with anti-4chord venom and toxic pre-war-ness, as we might say if we were woke. I largely share that view. :joy::joy:
Of course, emc’s answer is the correct one.

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